New toon (to TL7 maybe?).. halp!

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New toon (to TL7 maybe?).. halp!

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Ok so - I want to make a new toon. But dunno what prof or breed.

I think atm profs I would enjoy are adv, enf, fix, NT. OR I could opt for nanomage agent just for the lols and trying Mimic Trader (super low hp setup + nm coon should make it a lot more effective than for Opi).

But! Which do you think is the least teeth-gnashing, eye-clawing, and general irritation causing prof to level up?

As you probably know I have a solid dislike of pvm. With the lousy teams of these days it's also important to have a toon that's decent at survival (IE full dd setup no good, or you're going splat because tanks these days can't hold agg). So that means I'm already leaning away from NT atm.

Leaving adv enf fix, and nm agent.

Agents I know inside out and if I make a nm one it will probably rock without much trouble once I get within Mimic-levels. But still it will be not so much variation as I would hope to have by rolling an alt, I guess. Also if Mimic Trader looks to be a failure it can be an interesting alternative to Lupusceleri, especially when I need to survive alphas (you can survive almost anything in Mimic Doc, if 5k coon is up).

Adv, I'm not sure it seems so much like they're super OP these days in pvp.. takes a truck to kill. :\ There's no fun to be had in pvp, if you just lolsteamroll everything there is.

Enf, they're the perfect prof to play for me BUT they're melee which is FTL. :( After Wolfseye I sort of vowed to never make a melee pvp toon anymore, I hate the kiters with a passion.

Fix, they look like great fun to play. But they sort of suck at alphaing. I would roll nm or soli.

So WTB input. Which alt should I make. Which are the most fun to pvm (or even pvp, if you have experience) with?

Thank you. :)
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you talked about pvp and pvm so which are you going to do? You hinted on soloing, will this be RK or SL or will yuo team mostly but solo when it gets boring? If you want to solo then NT would be good as you can kite in RK and practice that for levels. Its an interesting prof in PvP also from what i hear. Also the org doesnt have too many of them. In SL however unless you are kiting with OST or hecklers, you will be forced to team very early on.

Advy is good. You can often solo well in SL for mobs bigger than you and also the coon + wtfrun for trains or if you get in trouble helps also. PvP the only problem is the cost and time put in to making it an awesome PvP toon. As with most profs, but some can get away with cheaper outfits. It seems like with advy you cannot cut any corners.

Enf is fun, due to high HP, not so fun to solo due to long healing time and at lowbie level the complete inability to heal. But due to high HP and AR you can solo things pretty well. Its also kinda fun to just be huge!

Keeper is fun, but kinda boring i found. PvM anyway since you cast once every 2hrs so you just run in and Q. Not really much else to it until higher levels with more perks etc i'm assuming. But my lvl 91 keeper basically has Q + FA.... FA...... FA...... fa....... boringzor. Its also somewhat cookie-cutter with weaps. It was fun though due to high HP and heal aura, dmg aura etc allowing you to solo reasonably well.

My preference to characters in pvm are 1) Crat, 2) Enf, 3) Tarder, 4) Advy, 5) MP
I like to be kept busy when attacking. Not too busy like nt where you spam, spam, spam. But i like a mix of debuffs, dmg boost, specials, perks etc etc. Not like low keeper where its just Q,Q,Q. I also like when levelling to be able to get a variety of new nanos. Advy was great for that. New heals, self buffs, morphs etc lots of upgrading. Crat not so much. At 90 i was self casting all the top-line RK buffs and had to wait until 195 for anything new!

So i guess it depends on what you really want in a character.
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Without having too much experience with any of these profs, here's my impression (or rather, why I haven't had so much experience with them) of them:

Fixer:
-Evades are great to have, when you have heals, with HoTs equivalent to 200 HD... not so much
-Going for super-low HP setups makes me want to cry, and it's neccecity for fixer PvP
-Rooting/snaring is fun
-Not having AS on a medium-AR profession is stupid

Advy:
-Melee is utter crap in PvP
-Great evades + decent alpha and AR + heals = stupid
-Mediocre at everything = boring

Enf:
-Melee is utter crap in PvP
-Relying on a semi-decent team is horrible
-Being useful in PvM is fun (only prof you listed that is really useful outside of mediocre damage and support heals)

NT:
-Squish

For PvP, the only profs of those you have listed that I would find fun would be ranged advy, enf would be a ton more fun if it wasn't melee. For PvM, enf would be my #1 choice by faaaaaaaar.

It really is too bad about kiting melee profs, but one thing to keep in mind is that roots and snares are a lot less effective at TL7 than at TL4, which atleast evens the playing field a little bit.
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Hrrrm so I guess it's down to enf vs fix then.

Trox enf, I don't want, maybe opi or soli. Fixer would be nm or soli.

As for "what I'm planning to do": pvm up to TL7, and pvp when I am 220 and geared up some. :)
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A lot has been said... I think I'd go for fixer. Remember that the WHOLE alpha attacks system will be revamped sometimes in the next 6 months or so. So don't judge a char on his current alpha capabilities.

About adv... I'll just say one thing: it takes 6 T7 MPs to kill LoTV in Inferno or Nascence, one (very good) adv can do it. #-o That's why I'll raise one myself.
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Rolled nanomage fixer. :)

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Cool, gonna be fun to follow!
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A borderland in the Wheel of Time series?

As for the choice... I was gonna mention Fixer... Advys are too OP and boring imho... NM fix will be very interestinga s NM coon will really throw a monkey wrench into peoples alpha. Also i can contest i have so much fun on my Fixer... When i play him...

Im doing my token grind atm and just have a toon like "2 weeks" by All that remains just sets the pace of Badassery and over all steamroll 40% mishs for tokens. Also i have been in teams w/o a doc in 190 missions at 130 and tanking/holding aggro from and enf around same lvl!

best thing is to just have fun and PLAN ahead on all your IP. Fixers are notorious for IP crunches and w/o planning your IP ahead.

Good luck and if you need someone to lvl with i have a 50 Engi i am working on as with a neut shade at 60 ;)
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Ceokittymeow wrote:A borderland in the Wheel of Time series?
You win one internets! Although the Borderland is called Arafel, and an Arafellin is someone who comes from Arafel. Like an American, or a Chinese, or a French, or a Dutch.
Ceokittymeow wrote:As for the choice... I was gonna mention Fixer... Advys are too OP and boring imho... NM fix will be very interestinga s NM coon will really throw a monkey wrench into peoples alpha. Also i can contest i have so much fun on my Fixer... When i play him...
100% agreed. Though fixers shouldn't be getting alpha'd, nm coon can still be very useful vs Dimachs, nukers, low AS/SA, or such. And ability to lower hp even more in order to heal more efficiently. :)
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Good luck lups.

I was going to recommend enf.

So far, at Tl5 with a relatively inexpensive build it's the MOST fun I've ever had.

Always people want you for teams, I can easily solo a raid, SOOO many defensive tools, exceptionally well rounded toolset, excellent survivability while still maintaining decent DD, loads of build options, the list goes on and on.

TBH, I'd be particularly concerned with NM fixer for the IP. You're already going to have a bitch of a time using current RK/SL nanos while leveling due to not being able to equip symbs... if you CAN then good times, but it could be tricky. Tl4+ shouldn't be too hard with lots of agi, sense items, might find yourself hurting without lya sangi pads though, and stam will likely prove to infuriate you.

Finally, I've got a 50 PB, a 100 PB, a 151 PB, a 200 SPB, and a 240 syndicate, all of which you may borrow if it will help you level.

I'd like to join you leveling around 80-150. I got good support with a MP who needs levels and ofc smurf who is a beast on ely hecks.
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i was throwing around the idea of deleting one of my toons to make room for a new alt. Prob going to delete a 61 soldier. Anyway, was thinking of an enf. You mentioned opi / sol for breed. Is that really viable instead of atrox? I will most likely be more pvm focused
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atrox for enforcer. Soli as a (fairly) weak 2nd, imo.

atrox gets benefit of easily equipable inf symbs, more and easier HP, and no real benefit unless you're considering heavily IPing nano pool.

since enf is not well situated for evades either, there really is no benefit until very very endgame, and even then, atrox stil wins out for evades with wit of atrox anyway.

trickle for weap/special skills/ HP/ perks > every other breed.
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Ceokittymeow wrote:A borderland in the Wheel of Time series?
Yup yup You beat me to it, Vandene & his son were awesome, I have read that series I think 4 times. Great read everytime WTB book 13.
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Did u forget that fixers have % based hot these days and im gonna bet theyl be giving a short hot with % heal in future....

For enfs, hasnt it been solitus enfs winning enf tournaments? atleast what i heard...
But for pvm 100% TROX

ps. fixer aint fun to pvp, enfs can get out of anyroot in matter of seconds with rage. only fun is kill shades they go down quick with fixer... im making agent for pvp, since i saw one agent that i couldnt even hit and he allmost gnakked me with that pole weap :shock:

anyways fixer pvp is like, run around u see an enemy u try gnak, oh he didnt die on mah alpha ok root and run away to wait that dam FA to recharge... i too can make 1000000 videos where i gnak ppl easy, ppl that have tl5 symbs and no evades...

fixers tought can evade pritty good, but still those SA and AS come trought evades like hot knife on butter, and since 90% pvp players have AS/SA theres no much room for phun...
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Ok i am thinking to open a second account (first is full) and i am gonna try to make an opifex fix (lvl to tl7) i think he will be able to handle Some SA and AS . (a single AS or SA doesnt kill u ;) )
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